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I'm about to ask something very stupid, and I realize this, but I'm about to get into putting a 200CI in a '66 or '65 mustang(Depends which one I decide to work on). The '65 has all the stock wiring and the motor mounts for an inline six. I understand basically how engines work, and the parts involved, and basically how EFI works and same with carburetors, Buuut....I've never had to deal with putting together an engine with a dizzy and a carb myself, I'll have some help but I wanted to get an idea of what I was doing, how it was going to work and if my dizzy and carb will be fine together. The carb is a little stock one-barrel off a 200 and the dizzy came off the same 200(If memory serves) but I wanted to know if I could just run with it and a C4 or if I was going to have to get an ignition box I believe it's called, or if it's mechanically done. I'm not sure if the dizzy is stock or not but I assume it is since the carb was stock and everything looked good spare the worn dizzy gear. Before everything happens I have to go over and do a leakdown test on one 200 to see what shape it's in.

Thinking about this logically and not knowing better, I'd think the dizzy is set in the proper place for the timing, and was mechanically spun by the engine to provide fire and the coil would provide the electric to fire each sparkplug, and the carb would have a few linkages here and there for the choke and throttle. :oops: I really feel bad because I feel like I'm doing this backwards, being use-to Throttle-body fuel injection and going to carb I keep feeling there should be a little computer and emissions somewhere to throw a wrench into the clockwork :hmm:
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While I don't have an answer for you, I feel your pain! I am also returning to "old" style carb and ignition from newer style vehicles. I tend to way overthink everything as well. Thankfully most people on here seem pretty patient! Good luck with your project!
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a points dist doesnt need a ignition box. the c4 transmission boltign up to the 200 6 cyl would depend on if you had the correct bellhousing pattern to match the engine.
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Well, relax a bit. I would suggest getting a reprint of the Ford '65 car repair manual and reading it cover to cover to learn as much as possible about the car and it's driveline. It's save hours of questions and answers. Basicly the carb setup is the same as a throttle body injected just all the controls are mechanical vs. electromechanical.

For the distributor:

1. Pull the valve cover and #1 cylinder spark plug.
2. Roll the motor around until both valves are closed and the pistons is up in the top of the bore.
3. Check the timing mark on the crank and set the crank position to 10` BTDC.
4. On the distributor, figure out which position on the cap goes to #1 cylinder and point the rotor at it.
5. Now look at the top of the drive gear on the distributor and turn the rotor until the bottom of the gear is pointing where the top was (the rotor will turn back as the gears mesh).
6. Check that the oil pump drive shaft is still in the distributor bore.
7. Drop the distributor in the bore (you may have to wiggle the rotor a bit for the gears to engage.
8. If the distributor doesn't drop all the way in you may have to rotate the crank which will turn the rotor so the oil pump drive lines up with the distributor shaft, it should drop in completely then.
9. Verify the rotor position with the #1 cylinder valves closed and the crank at @10' BTDC. Snug the distributor hold down bolt.
10. Bump the starter to see which way the rotor turns, then reset the crank to 10` BTDC
11. Rotate the distributor housing until the points are just starting to open.
12. Put on the valve cover, spark plug, cap and wires, and the timing should be close enough to start and run.

The little 170 in my '64 fairlane fired right up so the 200 should too.

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The 144,170,200 and 250s were all gone before fuel injection They had a very hard time getting them to meet the 76 emissions.
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I looked at the dizzy, it has two wires(Red and black) and a vacuum line nipple and is a motorcraft part and I'm pretty sure it had points. I remember my '71 F100 with points had a small box hooked in somehow but I don't currently have it here for inspecting. I have some stuff left on the '65 along with the wiring harness I'm just not entirely sure what I'm looking for.
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In the dizzy you have points and a condenser (small round tube like part)
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A dizzy only has one wire coming out of it to the coil when stock.
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Sorry Thought it was 2. That tells you how long it has been since I worked on a points type distributor. lol I do have one in the Maverick but have not done much more than look under the hood to it.
I know a Dura-spark unit has 3 wires right? I bet a Petronics has 2 wires. I have helped install 2 but then again don't remember.
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Duraspark, Accel Conversion are 3 wire. Pertronix is 2 wire no ground.
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So kind of sounds like James has a Petronics. James take a look under the cap and tell us what you see.
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