Engine is way crooked

[1971ford]

I just dropped the 360 in but there is no way these motor mounts (the rubber mounts, 2 holes for bolts on one side, 1 threaded bolt on the other side to drop into engine stand) are correct. Look at how crooked the engine is.

I did notice that both mounts had the pegs' offset slightly, maybe a half inch. So what i did was i put them on the block with the pegs offset opposite of each other, so that it would want ot twist the negine the other way! But it is twisted the opposite way that i installed the mounts for. Also, even if i had them on wrong and were ot flip them, it would not come close to offsetting this much angle ive got.

I'm using the same passegner side mount that was on the 360 when i got it, BUT, on the drivers side i only had the block part because the rubber had split in half. And i remember that one of the freeze plugs used to be half way covered up, but with the mounts i have on it now, all the freeze plugs are open. So i am guessing that the mount that i do not have (the one that ripped in two), is the one that i need.
Another thing is that i am now using a Saginaw drivers side engine mount (I don't know the correct way to name all these mounts, but now im talking about the metal that bolts to the frame and holds the engine up) which is different, it twists right to avoid the box but i dont they are any different.

[robroy]

Good evening Ryan!

Although the cause of your problem is probably different (because of the radical angle your engine is sitting at), this reminds me a lot of the thread Jamie (Ranchero50) helped me through, FE and T18/C6 mounts from Autofab, plus frame alignment.

No smart ideas a popping in to my mind, but your situation makes me curious as to which bolt holes the engine stands (the metal engine mounts that bolt to the frame) were installed in. Did you remove and re-install the stands during your restoration work on the truck? Is it possible that you accidentally bolted them in using different bolt holes than they originally used?

My reason for asking about this is that in my situation, I noticed that there were quite a few ancillary bolt holes in the frame crossmember, and the exact, proper location of the engine stands wasn't 100% clear.

Also, if you'd install it and use it, I will ship you a really nice NOS FE motor mount (the part that bolts directly to the block). Unfortunately it's not the side that you need! It's for the right (passenger) side. But it's brand new and in perfect condition! It's part # C7TZ-6038-H. Let me know if I can send it to you--I'm sure I'll never have a use for it, since I'm sold on these polyurethane Autofab mounts.

Robroy

[sideoilerfe]

You need FE tower mounts bolted to the rear set of holes on the passenger side. IF you have the drivers side FE tower that was installed in a truck with a Saginaw box then you need to bolt it to the front set of holes. Go to the store and buy a set of 1969 F100 360 motor mounts $10 a piece. It will bolt in if installed correctly. That angle means you've done something wrong.

[1971ford]

Good evening Ryan!

Although the cause of your problem is probably different (because of the radical angle your engine is sitting at), this reminds me a lot of the thread Jamie (Ranchero50) helped me through, FE and T18/C6 mounts from Autofab, plus frame alignment.

No smart ideas a popping in to my mind, but your situation makes me curious as to which bolt holes the engine stands (the metal engine mounts that bolt to the frame) were installed in. Did you remove and re-install the stands during your restoration work on the truck? Is it possible that you accidentally bolted them in using different bolt holes than they originally used?

My reason for asking about this is that in my situation, I noticed that there were quite a few ancillary bolt holes in the frame crossmember, and the exact, proper location of the engine stands wasn't 100% clear.

Also, if you'd install it and use it, I will ship you a really nice NOS FE motor mount (the part that bolts directly to the block). Unfortunately it's not the side that you need! It's for the right (passenger) side. But it's brand new and in perfect condition! It's part # C7TZ-6038-H. Let me know if I can send it to you--I'm sure I'll never have a use for it, since I'm sold on these polyurethane Autofab mounts.

Robroy

Thanks Robroy,
I wish i could go with those autofab mounts too but I don't have the money unfortunately, The passenger side tower should be in the right spot but i definately need to check this. The drivers is correct, I bolted that engine stand in today and it lined up perfectly with only one set of holes, which are slightly more towards the front of the truck to make up for the bend in the stand, to clear the Saginaw box. Thanks for the offer on that passenger side mount! But my passenger side seems to be OK, I'll check up on it when i drop the 390 in later on, and i will let you know if it didn't end up holding together from the torque of the beastly 300k non-rebuilt 360 Thanks Robroy.

You need FE tower mounts bolted to the rear set of holes on the passenger side. IF you have the drivers side FE tower that was installed in a truck with a Saginaw box then you need to bolt it to the front set of holes. Go to the store and buy a set of 1969 F100 360 motor mounts $10 a piece. It will bolt in if installed correctly. That angle means you've done something wrong.

Sounds like you've got the solution.. so there IS another set of holes on the frame on the passenger side? I must of totally missed this when i installed that engine stand, several months ago. Or are you saying there is another set of holes on the block? It sounds like you are talking about the frame, though. And yes something is definately wrong

[OldRedFord]

Ryan, there are two sets of holes on the passenger side of the frame.

[1971ford]

Perfect... wait so i have to pull the engine back out and put it back in?
Either that or i lift it a foot or two and squeeze under it! kidding...

[Redcap]

Perfect... wait so i have to pull the engine back out and put it back in?
Either that or i lift it a foot or two and squeeze under it! kidding...

Yes.

[1971ford]

I know. It's just sitting there i just have to hoist it up and over, then drop it back in... It just takes so long to do that, hence my complaining

[papabug71]

No biggie. At least its an easy fix !

[fordman]

check to make sure that someone didnt put the rubber mounts on the block backwards. they are specific to each side of the enigne and have a up and down to them also.

[sideoilerfe]

Check to make sure that someone didn't put the rubber mounts on the block backwards as they are specific to each side of the engine and have an up and down to them also.

so there IS another set of holes on the frame on the passenger side? I must of totally missed this when i installed that engine stand, several months ago

There is a drivers side AND a passenger side motor mount. Also, the rubber/steel engine mounts say "Top" on the top side. Your drivers side tower for the Saginaw box should be in the front holes and the passenger side should be in the rear. There's 2 sets of holes in each side of the frame. Hope this helps.

[1971ford]

Yes i have it all squared away now. I think
First thing this morning i remounted the passenger side engine tower to the rear holes, and that twisted the engine back to normal just fine. Then it was too twisted. I then noticed the drivers side mount was upside down, so i flipped it, now saying "top" on the top and it seems to be just right now.
However how do you know which mount is passenger and which is driver? they don't say "driver" or "passenger" on them, but both of my tops are on the top. But if they are both drivers side mounts, or both passenger side mounts, then they are still wrong. I think it's right, because now the negine appears to be just right, but im just sayin'.

[sideoilerfe]

Yeah,I hear ya, You could take one off and take it to the store and ask to see a drivers or passenger side mount and compare them. They will be mirror image of each other. You should be squared away by now though!

[1971ford]

Yeah it should be fine. I've got the top two block to tranny bolts in, but now the bottom of the tranny is 3" away from the bottom of the block. It's never easy alligning a engine to the tranny
I should here this thing run this weekend though. I should also have the steering done. It's too bad i won't have brakes or else i could drive it. I should have some video to come because my brother just got his new HD video camera. Open manifolds is what its all about

[fordman]

the rubber mounts should say RH LH on them. right hand left hand.

jack up the trans and engine until they mate up.