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fordman · Post by **fordman** » Fri Jan 22, 2010 2:21 am

i almost got the 360 in my 4wd started tonight. the battery isnt very good so it does turn over for anything even with a jump start. im going to try again in the morning.

any way this engine did run before i put it in. then i had the hood and front clip off and it rained. water got into the engine cylinder intake and in the oil pan. and it froze. it melted and i helped melt it out of the engine. the water is gone. i put oil in it today. knowing the water was out of the oil pan and system. i also purged the water out of the cylinders a few days ago with compressed air and spinning the engine over with no spark plug in it. i also hosed all the cylinders with wd40 and let them open for 2 days while that soaked in.

ok so when it was trying to fire up tonight. it was pushing air up into the carb almost backfiring. it also shot fire out the driver manifold. (no exhaust pipe on that side). the engine almost caught and ran for a slight split second twice. the battery stopped me from cranking it too much.

so this enigne didnt run perfectly when i had it in the other truck. it almost ran like it had a vacuum leak. which i found and plugged tonight. i also changed the carb to a known good carb. i am thinking if this has any problems it could either be the timing chain or i bent some push rods while trying to get the ice out of the engine. i will know more tomorrow i just wanted to start this thread now. in case soemthing was wrong. and i needed some help.

is there any way to find a bent push rod with out removing the valve covers? i am thinking there isnt a way.

ximy · Post by **ximy** » Fri Jan 22, 2010 3:08 am

there is no way to inspect the pushrods without removing the valve covers and easily removing the rocker arm shaft assembly... it is probably not bent pushrods..... unless

did you turn the reciprocating mass over by hand first, before cranking with the starter, to make sure it was turning freely???

fordman · Post by **fordman** » Fri Jan 22, 2010 3:16 am

it wouldnt budge by hand. i used the starter to bump it bump it bump it until it finally broke the ice free inside the cylinders. of course the ice could have been on the valves too. i dont know right now. i am going to take it out of that guys ass if this engine is messed up.

basketcase0302 · Post by **basketcase0302** » Fri Jan 22, 2010 5:12 am

Good luck with it Craig, it'll happen!

How about the gas, is it old?

ToughOldFord · Post by **ToughOldFord** » Fri Jan 22, 2010 10:07 am

Pushing air back through the carb indicates an intake valve is stuck open.

fordman · Post by **fordman** » Fri Jan 22, 2010 1:08 pm

fresh gas clean tank. its charging the battery right now. i didnt think of the valve being stuck open. great.

fordman · Post by **fordman** » Fri Jan 22, 2010 3:01 pm

thanks tof. i may not have pulled the valve covers if you wouldn't have said that. it seems the lifters on 5 and the exhuast lifter on number 6 were stuck upwards in the bore. so those cylinders were working properly. i used a piece of wood and a hammer and and freed up number 5 real easiely. number 6 exhuast took more thna a few taps. but i freed it up after pouring mmo down each of those push rods.plus a little more after i got them working. im now waitign on the battery to charge back up again.

fordman · Post by **fordman** » Fri Jan 22, 2010 6:01 pm

i don't know what is going on here. but the spark plug wires are at 45126378 instead of the 15426378 it is suppose to be at. this eninge is pretty dirty. it doesnt look as if its had a cam put in it that would require a different firing order. has soemone jacked with my plug wires or what? i put it back the way it is suppose to be and i still get no start. i have fuel and sprark to the plugs.

ximy · Post by **ximy** » Fri Jan 22, 2010 7:32 pm

fordman wrote:i don't know what is going on here. but the spark plug wires are at 45126378 instead of the 15426378 it is suppose to be at. this eninge is pretty dirty. it doesnt look as if its had a cam put in it that would require a different firing order. has soemone jacked with my plug wires or what? i put it back the way it is suppose to be and i still get no start. i have fuel and sprark to the plugs.

Maybe you don't remember messing around with it last night when you were drunk???

...

any luck getting it started?

fordman · Post by **fordman** » Fri Jan 22, 2010 8:01 pm

no start. the wires are in order. took the plugs back out. dried them. cranked eninge over several tiems to clear fuel from cylinders. put plugs back no start not even a hit. i found out why the battery was being drained. the brake lights or tail lights stay on contiuosly. and it seems i have no fluid in the master cylinder any more either. what fing more could go wrong. atleast i should be able to get it started. the rest i know i can fix.

fordman · Post by **fordman** » Fri Jan 22, 2010 8:03 pm

will an eninge even run at that timing order? maybe i should put it back to that and try again in the morning. its too cold and dark now to try anything to lengthy with it.

ximy · Post by **ximy** » Fri Jan 22, 2010 8:12 pm

engines can run (horribly) with fowled firing orders... but... better to be sure the distributor/timing/plug wires are according to factory specs... I've never heard of an alternative firing order camshaft for FE engines.

sounds like my truck... one thing after another.. the pain and joy...

fordman · Post by **fordman** » Fri Jan 22, 2010 8:58 pm

the only thing i can think of is the timing chain being loose. so adjustign the dist to fire in the right place might be part of it. but i didnt get anything while turning the dist when my wife cranked the key over. i hate when i cant get one of these enignes to start. i just makes me want to give up and let soemone else start it.

ToughOldFord · Post by **ToughOldFord** » Fri Jan 22, 2010 9:04 pm

I'd use the proper firing order, but check to see that the distributor's been stabb3ed correctly. Line up your timing marks, pop the cap and check that it's pointing to #1. If not re-stab the distributor or just re-wire the cap accordingly.

Since it sounds like the hood was off there's a good chance the distributor has moisture in it as well. Dry it out, do the WD40 thing and try it.

Hope that helps.

fordman · Post by **fordman** » Fri Jan 22, 2010 9:09 pm

tof i have already done all of that. i am gettign fire at the points and from the coil and to the number on spark plug wire. so i think i hav efire at all the plugs. it couldnt be floded again i have barely touched the gas pedal. surely the carb isnt puking gas frothe bowl in to the carb some how. that has to be why its not startign. too much fuel. that is all i can think of at this point. but i had my wife get some more startign fluid just to make sure i have some on hand for lawn mowing season or chain saws. whatever. i used up the littl ebit i had left in my last can last night. what would cause the carb to dump fuel into the enigne? without pumping the gas?

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